Update – “Straight Male Gamer” digs a bit deeper
The “Straight Male Gamer” of recent notoriety appears to have responded to the support for BioWare’s excellent answer to his complaint by updating his original post at the thread on the forum. In that update, the hole gets deeper with claims of how many other people who “find it [homosexuality] to be disgusting” are afraid to speak and are being silenced “for fear of being called homophobic by what can only be called a mob”
Over a good few hours of consideration, we’ve been wondering whether or not to publish this story. We could intentionally make a big deal out of it through responding ourselves, so advertising it and by doing so find ourselves promoting privileged nonsense. On the other hand, rather than answering it, we’ve decided simply to say that it exists, and potentially let people themselves show their own opinions on it.
No More Lost was a fairly small blog with a small core following until recently, and the fact that our article on this story went viral as it did took even us quite by surprise! We’ve posted articles on all sorts of issues, events and concerns – some of them big, some of them small, and some of them intended merely to bring hope and show positive change in the world away from hatred and bigotry for those that may be on the receiving end of it. Perhaps we’re still a small blog, or perhaps we now have more eyes on us than we realise. Even so, far be it from us to contribute to the silencing of this poor oppressed self-professed representation of the Straight Male Gamer demographic, we’re going to post this update of his here. While we won’t issue a response at this time, we are more than happy for our readers to offer a brief response if they wish. We don’t approve of a mob mentality, but we feel that there are enough clear and obvious holes in his argument to tear it to pieces with the simplest application of mere cold hard reason. The views of the many, apparently, outweigh the views of the few according to the complainant, and so perhaps by this logic it is best to demonstrate what the views of the many are, if they so choose to offer them.
Again, the complainant;
Seeing as how this post has been linked by a few sites, I thought it’d be proper for me to write a response to Gaider’s reply:
I don’t see how Gaider’s reply was in anyway blasting my arguments. In fact, what Gaider basically said was that “You’re right. Dragon Age 2 was not made specifically for “straight male gamer” in mind. It was made to be all-inclusive.” And that was exactly the accusation I was making. I’m not here to debate the moralities of homosexuality, I personally find it to be digusting but others will feel different, that isn’t the point of this thread.
The whole point of the argument relies on the central point that straight male gamers make up a overwhelming majority of players. As I said before, I estimate that the number is around 80% (this includes straight males gamers who plays a females). Now if my numbers are at all wrong (that in reality the split is 60-40-10 (male, female, gay), then consider this post to be null and void, I’ve wasted your time (No doubt some of you already feel that way).
“And if there is any doubt why such an opinion might be met with hostility, it has to do with privilege. You can write it off as “political correctness” if you wish, but the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority. They’re so used to being catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance. They don’t see anything wrong with having things set up to suit them, what’s everyone’s fuss all about? That’s the way it should be, any everyone else should be used to not getting what they want.”
The idea of privilege is ridiculous. The “privilege” always lies with the majority because if your goal is to make a game that will be liked by as many fans possible, then it makes sense to focus on that largest group. Why should one fan’s enjoyment be more important than five others? It’d more accurate to call “privilege” the idea that some minority group gets special preference for political points. If you really want to be all-inclusive, then I don’t see why homosexuals should get special preference while leaving other minority groups out.
This isn’t a complaint about how I didn’t get everything I wanted. This is a complaint about how this is the first BioWare game I’ve played that I did not enjoy. I’ve seen many complaints about weak characters and weak story. That is also my complaint and I believe stems entirely from trying to be “all-inclusive”. By trying to appeal to so broad of audience, you’ve left a game in which many people are disappointed. You’ll win praises and 10/10′s from gay activists and feminists for your great strides in promoting “equality” and eliminating “straight male privilege”, but you’ll have loss fans like me.
In a perfect world with unlimited resources and time, you might have been able to pull it off, a game in which everyone would love. But this is not a perfect world and you have said many times that your resources are limited, and I believe you could have used them more wisely.
I always like to bring The Witcher up as an example. This is an amazing game and more amazing so that it was developed by a small Polish company. One would think that the game being developed by Polish producers would not be able to connect with a English speak audience, but that is not the case at all. This is game which was inarguably made for straight male gamer. Because the designers only had to worry about that demographic, they were able to create a strong memorable protagonist and strong memorable support characters. They could give us many choices and not worry about having to produce voice-overs for so many different characters. I can only imagine how amazing the game would be if they had the budget that Dragon Age 2 had and its pains me to think about how great Dragon Age 2 could have been.
If your goal is not to make as many fans as possible happy but to enact some form of social crusade then please, market and advertise the game as such. If you believe there are a substantial number of players who would appreciate those features, then advertise it and create trailers for it, don’t lead me to believe that this game was crafted for the straight male. If you truly believe that the straight male gamers are not important enough that you should focus on them, then I would like to see your marketing reflect that.
As a side note, I’d like to say that I’m not at all surprised by all the pro-homosexuality comments and that I expected even more. 1% of a million is still 10000. No doubt you’d have a many of them trying to protect their “privilege” in Dragon Age 2.
Those who agree with me will likely do so silently for fear of being called homophobic by what can only be called a mob as even Gaider pointed out or just won’t bother out of feeling of pointlessness like I once did. But to those people, I encourage you to post as well and not let your concerns be silenced as some would like.
We won’t follow up on the posts and concerns of this user after this update on the story (unless something especially spectacular happens), though any views we are able to seek from games developers and writers following this may prove interesting in their own right.

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So, pretty much it says, “me me me ME me ME ME me ME me ME!”
That, but a bit worse.
It says “me me me ME me ME ME me ME me ME!… because I represent more than me … because losing me is important, even if you get other people instead.”
… and…
“… I happen to think homosexuality is disgusting and see no problem in demanding that you cater to that view. In fact, I think it’s great and don’t understand why fellow anti-gay types aren’t speaking up. They must be afraid of being labelled homophobes, but they’re real! Honest! Come on, people! If you think teh gay is wrong, say so!”
Not to put too fine a point on it.
and WHINE whine WHINE WHINE whine.
Poor baby. I feel for him. But I can’t quite reach him. I’m a sixty year old lesbian geek gamer.
He can take his “homosexuality disgusting” and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine, for alla me. Kudos to the game creators. If Straight Male Gamer doesn’t like it, he can learn to deal, like those of us who are neither straight nor male have had to do for years.
@Starshadow I entirely agree and your second comment is full of pure win.
I also love the fact that he just assumes that all female gamers play the Sims in his initial post. I’m assuming his brain would probably melt upon seeing my level 85 Undead Mage or my long list of favourite games.
People like him amaze me; I thought we were long past this ‘gays are gross’ period (in most countries anyway), yet cretins like SMG still crawl out from under a rock somewhere in the vicinity of the internet and spew their stupid, badly thought out views.
Besides it’s just a bloody game. There are options for straight characters as well, he can probably just ignore any advances from gay characters because I assume his tiny mind can barely process stuff like that anyway (I say that, he is probably another one of those people who doesn’t like “gays” but is all “hurr hurr” at the simple mention of lesbians)…
Gays are gross. They are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. The LGBT community is a lot like Straight Male Gamer in the fact that it is all about you you you you. If it wasn’t all about you then you would respect those that do not want to acknowledge you or place the spotlight on you. I have absolutely no desire to hear about or deal with your community yet it is forced upon me daily. I am civil to everyone and am not violent towards anyone but I do have my beliefs, again not forced on anyone, and I don’t want to hear about your kind. If you truly are against privilege then understand, you don’t have the privilege of forcing your ways on me or other people who believe as I do. Stay in the closet.
Well, well, where to begin. First of all no class of people is universally gross. I know many straight folk who live like pigs, at least most of the gay folk I know can mop a floor now and then! Gross is as gross does and anyone can be afflicted with it whatever their orientation.
I challenge you to dare a little exercise which you may find illuminating if you have half an open mind. Imagine the tables reversed. Imagine an alternative universe in which gay were normal (yes, they would have to work out reproduction somehow – cloning?) and it was illegal to be straight or at least you were not granted the same rights as the gay majority.
Imagine that you could not kiss your spouse in public, lest you be attacked or arrested. Imagine having to keep individual bedrooms to maintain the illusion that you are not sleeping together. Imagine that if your boss found out you were straight you could be fired on the spot with no recourse.
If you carry this little exercise far enough, you will see that the reason gay folk are speaking out more these days is because they could not do so before. Imagine if you could not take your fiancee to a night club and slow dance with them or hold hands across the table in an intimate little restaurant.
Would you be able to rent a hotel room with only one bed if traveling with your straight spouse? No way.
In a world in which gay were the norm, can you imagine just how depressing it would be to have everyone you meet just presume you are gay, and drop you like a hot potato as a friend if they find out you are secretly sleeping with the opposite gender?
Probably not, because people who speak as you do are not very good at putting themselves in other folk’s shoes. And by the way, please do not presume that because I am not homophobic I must be secretly gay, as many uninformed straight folk seem to have a habit of doing – that is supremely annoying.
Kudos to Bioware and the increasing number of newer games which open up romance options to all. Oh, and other groups, by which you presumably mean people of color, are represented in DA2 – you can make your character any possible complexion and facial structure you like, and the game will generate your family members with similar complexion and features.
Our apologies for missing this abusive comment – but all in all, an excellent reply. Thank you.
This isn’t Warhammer 40k– hate is a weakness, and by expressing it, you’re only showing that you are weak in this area of your mind. It’s nothing to be proud of…
And if you’re Christian, to preach hate is to distance yourself from God; as His son noted, the two greatest commands are to love god, and love thy neighbor… all other commands are subservient to these, the two greatest commandments.
Hitler, is that you?
Seriously bro? For starters, No one put a gun to your head and forced you to buy this game. You also knew that the game you were getting was rated MATURE, with Sexual Content listed as one of the reasons for the M rating. I understand that there is no way you could have possibly known that the sexual content included homosexuality, that is of course assuming you never played Dragon Age Origins which has the bisexual Zevran who could romance your male or female character. So knowing that “the homosexual communty” exists in the DA:O and you “have absolutely no desire to hear about or deal with ‘their’ community” then why would you buy DA2 knowing that it is likely to contain some level of homosexuality? It seems like the one who’s forcing the “gross gay community” on you is YOURSELF.
You, as a Straight Male Gamer have the option to not let your character be gay if you so choose. The creators of Dragon Age 2 didn’t require you to blow Anders in order to reach the battle with Meredith. They simply gave all the Dragon Age gamers the ability to relate to the character that they create.
By the way, I find it kind of ironic that you use God as your reasoning for Hating on the homosexuality content in a FICTIONAL game(now remember fictional means NOT real.) Out of all the different IMAGINARY sins and evil scenarios that exist in this game, you decided that MAKE BELIEVE gayness is the one that God needs you to preach about. Really? So you find the FICTIONAL “fags” more gross then say the PRETEND serial killing several woman and harvesting their body parts for witchcraft…?
Seriously though, maybe you should not worry about the relationships of characters whose body weight is measured in MB and start with problems that exist in this realm…
It was your choice to come to this blog and your choice to comment. I don’t see the forcing here, except for the rest of us being forced to listen to you.
Also, I don’t believe in your “Lord.” Therefore, “His” opinion means nada to me. Imaginary people in the sky can’t scare me into living my life how people who don’t know me want me to live it, imagine that, but thank you for shoving your beliefs down my throat.
Signed,
Heterosexual Female
I hope you realize that the only reason homosexuality is a big deal in The Bible and other such text is because… get this…
Homosexuality was indeed practiced back in those days. Hell, they even had days picked out to have outright orgies, but they only complained because they were practiced on the wrong day.
Let’s not forget that since the text is so old, there are editors who have gone through and picked out all sorts of little sections to twist and change to their whim. Compare today’s New Testament to an issue that was released a couple of decades. You’ll see what I mean.
Please look further into the very text you worship before you start spouting crap about today’s society being “shoved in your face”.
If you can’t get along with everyone, at least be civil. If you can’t be civil, be offline.
Thank you.
“God hates fags” I was going to spend my time bashing Straight Male Gamer until I came across your post, the most ignorant and offensive post I have ever seen.
I am a bisexual male and also a long time gamer. I have mastered games in a wide variety of subjects, from Super Smash Brothers too Starcraft 2, competed at MLG in both. I sometimes act in ways that some people would call “effeminate” but it doesn’t bother me. Is it so wrong to take a lesson or two from the opposite gender? Sharing attitudes is at the core of human understanding. Gender roles are an invention of society anyway, without the sexism that men have drilled into the world personalities between men and women would become more blurred then is already apparent when you truly get too know someone.
You call us “abominations” when you sir are frankenstein’s monster. You represent a fear that has brewed in the cultures of humanity since time immemorial. It is the fear of the unknown and perhaps, a fear of accepting aspects about ourselves that may be socially stigmatic. You shy from the LGBT community as though it were monster you fear might consume you. We are not going to try to turn you gay or come onto sexually in any way. Also do you truly think that if there was an all loving and all powerful god that he would hate a good portion of the population because of the way that HE made them? Science has proven that many people with homosexual tendencies have a biological predisposition for it.
No one is asking for the spot light to be placed on us. Seeing you type that makes me wonder if truly understand the nature of this conflict. The LGBT community only wants to be treated the same as everyone else, we want no special treatment. The fact is that homosexual relationships DO exist, including them in games should be praised for its realism. We are also not forcing our community unto you, do you truly experience personal intrusions from us on a daily basis? If by that you mean that you have too actually see mention of us on the news occasionally, then I must say I would rather not have too turn on CNN everyday and hear about ignorant fucks like you committing hate crimes world wide.
You speak of privilege as though you understand the word, which you do not. The idea of privilege has been used throughout history to oppress populations that were not in power at the time. Kings, warlords, dictators, prophets, and emperors all felt they had privilege over those without as much power as them, and leeched off them in order to maintain their personal comfort which they so “deserved”.
And in response to your last hateful comment, I am not yet publicly out of the closet, though I am out among my family and friends. By asking us to “stay in the closet” you not so much offend me, you hurt me, to think human beings could be capable of such callous selfishness. You are asking us to repress and hide who we truly are from the rest of the world, as the chauvinist societies of our race have done for millennia, just because you don’t want too face an essential and ancient truth of human nature.
I don’t believe in god, and I don’t believe in you.
@God Hates Faggots: It isn’t God who hates ‘faggots’, it’s just you & your self-righteous friends. I’m assuming you’re a Christian, so tell me this: in what verse did JESUS ever say to hate gays? I’m not talking about the OT, which has nothing to do with what Jesus taught; Christ commanded his followers to love everyone, and not to be judgmental. I’ve actually been to Heaven, and nobody there cares about sexual preference or even – though you won’t believe this – RELIGION. You think you’re saved, but haters are the ones who are banned by God from Heaven. THAT’S what Jesus was trying to tell everyone. Maybe you should take your blinders off, stop obsessing over the OT, and read the red lines in your Bible. If you humble yourself & beg God to open your eyes, maybe He will remove the hatred from your heart.
Homosexuals coming out of the closet in no way forces their ways on anyone. It is their right to say who they are. It is your right to ignore them. If you don’t want to hear about them, then don’t listen. Everyone wins.
LOL.
You guys realize this is just a troll, right?
Also, recent surveys have shown that women make up probably half of gamers, and I regularly whoop my husband’s ass at Halo. That is all.
@ Starshadow I think I love you (in a totally platonic sense)!!!!! I, too, am a lesbian geek gamer (34 yrs old). No this is not a come on… I am very happily in a 4 yr relationship with yet ANOTHER lesbian geek gamer…. but we are SO hard to find!!! So it’s good to find another one.
Beautifully & succinctly put, Kate!
The idea that video games should cater solely to straight men just because straight men play them is pretty asinine. DA2 including options for gamers that are neither straight nor male is a sign that Bioware is trying to expand with the times by recognizing that while many (or perhaps most) gamers are both straight and male, a large chunk of them aren’t.
If you’re bothered by the fact that a gay woman playing Dragon Age 2 has just as many options as a straight man, then you should build a bridge and get over it, because making sure everyone has as many options as anyone else is what I call “fair”.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2006/10/7922.ars
I know this is an old study, but I think it puts this guy in perspective a bit. According to this 2006 study, nearly 2/3 of gamers are female. This spans across all gaming genres, including PC games like WoW. The reason most people don’t know this is, according to a 2008 study, 70% of female gamers play as male characters to avoid harassment. http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/mar/06/women.games
Look I used facts. And the facts say that not only is the “straight male gamer” NOT an 80% majority, he may in fact even be the minority. He can complain all he wants, but the fact is, by catering to the social minority, Bioware is in fact catering to the people playing their games. (ps, if these statistics are correct, then its entirely likely that a little over half the time, when you’re talking to a male avatar, the player is actually female.)
I know I am one of those types of gamers…..it’s just easier to play as a male character, male gamers sometimes (emphasis on that) take it very personally when they are outsmarted, or Heaven forbid, led by a female.
I will not deny that there are some issues with DA2, but I think that with the time they had, and the sheer volume of content they had to cover, they did a wonderful job. The ‘anything-goes’ choice is the way forward, we are living in an ever changing world, where sexuality and gender are both be redefined every day, games should reflect that. At the end of the day, love is love and that is all that matters. We are individuals, and that should be celebrated.
I wonder what Mr. Straight Male Gamer thinks of the other straight males who play female characters in WoW, Anarchy and other such games?
I personally play male, female, and when possible, androginous. And I am, in real life, definitely female.
Another problem with SMG’s whole premise is that his conception of the “Straight Male Gamer” isn’t even inclusive of his own supposed demographic. I know and am friends with many, many straight men who play video games–and not one of them agrees with another on what exactly makes a good game. Moreover, all of these straight, masculine gamers have wildly divergent opinions on morality, politics, religion, and cultural interaction vs. cultural homogeneity. Some of them are for gay rights; some of them don’t care. Some of them have gay friends or family members; some of them just find the idea of gay men or women faintly nauseating (though they wouldn’t go so far as to make broad public statements about these private preferences).
They are all men, they are all straight, and they are all gamers, and Mr. SMG speaks for not a one of them. When they play Dragon Age 2, I hope they will have the spines to make their own choices on gameplay and story progression and realize that other people have the right to do the same.
Why can’t he just admit that he plays “straight male games” as a form of escapism from his “closet gay life”?
Where’s the “like” button on this blog when you need it?
Oddly enough, we have share buttons for every article on a variety of networks, we have our facebook and twitter accounts shown on the right with a selection of “fans”, we even have a variety of networks with which people can register and log in…
… but we never thought of adding a like button. *D’oh!* lol
“Now if my numbers are at all wrong (that in reality the split is 60-40-10 (male, female, gay), then consider this post to be null and void, I’ve wasted your time (No doubt some of you already feel that way).”
This is a failure on both levels. Not only are the male/female ratios a bit wonky, but 60% + 40% + 10% = 110%.
Well, gay gamers don’t fall into their own gender category. Some are male, some are female. So it’s not entirely nonsensical if he means that ten percent of the whole male/female gaming population is gay. Admittedly, though, I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt here when I’m not sure he deserves it.
I don’t even know where to start picking on this guy’s alleged “points.”
First of all, “gay” is not a gender. Whom you choose to sleep with does not change your chromosomes one whit.
Secondly, it’s a game. There are many people who will choose to play a character different to themselves. Straight males playing lesbians are probably far, far more likely than straight males playing straight males, if my experience online is anything to judge by, but this particular form of “disgusting” homosexuality doesn’t seem to bother Straight Male Gamer enough to bring up, for some completely unfathomable reason…
Thirdly, in citing The Witcher as an example of a “good game” focusing on the SMG “majority” fanbase, he makes a couple of errors. Firstly, he assumes that no-one can empathize with a protagonist that is not of their own gender and sexuality. Yet I and many female friends played it at length and damn right we sauced every wench in the game that we could. While, I admit, giggling at how lame the collectable shagging cards were.
But most of all, his entire post, particularly citing the Witcher, tells us one thing:
He plays games to fap to them. Not for the story, not for the gameplay. All content must be directed at him because then he can fap more. That’s all there is to it for him.
Another problem with citing The Witcher is that he can’t prove that the game was successful *just because* it apparently caters to the Straight Male Gamer. I’ve never played the game nor had I heard of it prior to this, but I’m going to take an educated guess and say that the game had many more shining qualities that made it likable than just the fact that it “catered to straight male gamers.”
As anonymous points out,70% of female gamers play as males in order to avoid harassment from straight male gamers…which means that SMG is not the majority,but the PROBLEM itself!He is only the “visible” majority because women must lie to him in order to derive enjoyment from the game.Unless I am mistaken,he also lives in his parent’s basement and has never had sex.
I was about to make a comment about how silly this whole thing is, a discussion about who you get to f*ck in a game but then I remembered I joined in with a similar discussion about Mass Effect leaving out a gay romance option in both games! Ha…
I’m assuming the guy complaining isn’t an attractive “straight male gamer” otherwise he would realize getting hit on by a guy once in a while is pretty realistic.. it happens. if you don’t respond in a positive manner they leave it alone..just like in the game… just sayin
I’m a straight male gamer and I think BioWare did the right thing. BioWare makes fantastic games with fantastic stories. Rock on!
Something tells me this guy sucks at relationships in real life, too.
If I were making a game, I’d make trying all relationship options a condition for getting all achievements. Just to annoy the types of persons that think achievements are important.
For the first:
The majority of people I know that is playing DA are women. And I know a lot of people (gamers).
For the second:
It is optional who in the game you choose to have sex with (if any). You can play a straight male gamer if you want – so what is the problem? That other people have other choices? – I thought that was a really good idea!
Hrm … if the above comments are correct, maybe Mr. SMG was hit on by a woman, playing a man, who was so overcome by his MANtastic character that she forgot what gender she was playing at the moment. Because of this blow-up he just lost his chance at dating someone of his preferred gender. Whoops.
*grin*
I really think he hasn’t thought this through. If he is bothered by someone hitting on him, that might not be exactly his idea of a good time … for whatever reason, and wants the game-structure to disallow that … would he also complain if the game disallowed folks who didn’t go to the gym 4 times a week, or didn’t look, in real life, like the character they play in game, or people who couldn’t show a patter of up-leveling on a regular basis, or any other criteria from flirting with people?
Now, granted, this might be a legitimate fear, and everyone has a right to their fears and traumas. But his fears and traumas are not everyone’s, and perhaps he has to learn he is a special case, as opposed to the normal, he might have to do something special to signify that he cannot cope with the concept of a large section of the populace within the game (the (was it) 60% that present as male) even thinking about him. Besides, if his numbers are correct 20% of the males are presenting as females, so, being hit on by them, would also effect his fear/trauma, so he should definitely go out of his way to let everyone he encounters know about his particular issue. Just in case.
The poor man.
In a way, I pity him. I wonder what awful experiences he must have had, to cause him to not even be able to cope with simply politely rejecting someone from whom he doesn’t wish to receive advances. He must have been involved, at some point, with a relationship where one person said “no” and the other kept persisting, calling, writing, manufacturing encounters, just so they could continue to press suit. He must really understand the mindset of one of those people in such an unhealthy and unbalanced relationship.
Oh, wait, if he doesn’t like this game, or the characters here, he can stop playing, and choose another game, right? No one is holding a gun to his head, and forcing him to play a game he doesn’t find fun or comfortable … right? If his statistics are right, then 80% of the games (and the better ones, because, according to him, this could have been better, if they didn’t waste resources on this …) are geared to his particular choices, and this just is one of those 20% games, he shouldn’t go near, because of his own frailties, fears and trauma. If he just voted with his feet, the players of BioWare games and him would both be much happier.
Good points in all, but fyi in case you have not played DA2, (SPOILER ALERT!) both Fenris and Anders will drop subtle hints at your very first conversation that they may be “that way.” If you continue to build your friendship with either of them, by sympathy for the mage plight with Anders or by listening sympathetically to Fenris’ life-story in detail instead of brushing it off to check off one more companion quest done, each of them in his own way will make more overt comments.
Fenris will literally jump you if you go far enough (repress much?) but although Anders will also leap into your arms if you push it far enough he will early on in the relationship ask “Do I make you uncomfortable?” If you respond “Yes” he will say, “Fine, understood, strictly professional.” and will continue to be loyal to you.
Thus, speaking as a male who normally plays male characters, I find it refreshing to see just where these same-gender things go, as they open up entire new sections of dialogue, including a very touching bit of banter in which Fenris comments to Anders, “If you break his heart, I will kill you!” I am cool with someone feeling that way about me, even if it is only in a game!
“Give me a fantasy game, but please give me a little bit of my old familiar blindfolded reality so I don’t feel so lost in all imagination.”
Totally weird…
I wonder… why have any options at all when creating a character? Just make an avatar of yourself. I thought that was one of the reasons shy to play, you do not HAVE to be your old boring self, you do not even need to be a Straight Male Gamer.
And please tell me, WHAT exactly defines a Straight Male Gamer? Is it the fact that they are offended by same sex romance among made up creatures?
I wonder if he realizes that his diatribe is a hatemonger’s Mad Lib. Let’s try some exercises:
Form: “As a (majority demographic) Gamer I think that (game)’s inclusion of (minority demographic) is offensive and insulting.”
Example 1: “As a Straight Male Gamer I think that DA2′s inclusion of homosexuality is offensive and insulting.”
Example 2: “As a Christian Gamer I think that Xenosaga’s inclusion of Judaic terminology is offensive and insulting.”
Example 3: “As a White Gamer I think that Final Fantasy 13′s inclusion of Black people is offensive and insulting.”
Example 4: “As an Unintelligent Gamer I think that Mass Effect’s inclusion of Math Problems is offensive and insulting.”
Have fun!
Well, I was thinking of a whole image meme based on the user’s avatar, but I’m not that mean.
Much like the image used in the article, but with the text “I wear this cloak to…” (etc.)
“I wear this cloak to hide my privilege” is I think the fairest one I can muster. There are others meaner than I, I’m sure. lol
A bit of a switch, but how’s this: “As a Straight Male Gamer I find his particular Straight Male Gamer’s making the rest of us look bad offensive and insulting.”
You made me giggle
Most of the comments written in response have been thoughtful, intelligent, and evidence that there is enormous wisdom in the gaming community.
As others have said, both here and elsewhere — it is a ROLE-PLAYING game. What kind of role-playing is it if there aren’t options?
But there’s another point that needs to be made. Many gamers are young people, adolescents caught up in that period of life where they’re designing their adult identity. It can be a confusing time with many difficult moments — and even more so for teens who are gay or lesbian. Even in a so-called ‘enlightened’ environment, it’s still difficult.
The opportunity to practice relationships in a game, both gay and straight, is also an opportunity to try on different identities, to see what fits and how you feel about it. It’s an opportunity for gay teens to feel that their identity is viable and valid.
And while this might not seem important to those outside of that particular demographic, it is important. A recent study showed that gay teens are 8 times more likely to commit suicide than straight teens — partly due to bullying, of course, but also due to the larger perception of cultural disapproval.
The simple opportunity to play a game that regards your sexual identity as equal and valid might be enough to help some teens deal with their emerging adult identities. Butterflies all start out as caterpillars. Role-playing games are a great way to get some sense of what’s outside the cocoon.
Of all the difficult things that human beings gt to deal with, relationships may very well be the most difficult. Anything that helps, even a set of virtual training wheels, is a good thing.
This.
This is important, to media and life in all it’s glory.
The whining complainant needs to get a dictionary and grow up from being and uninformed teenager himself.
Most of my ‘gamer’ guy friends – who are straight and male – can handle getting hit on. My brother even plays female characters without it being for obvious self-titillation.
If you can’t put up with that, go back to watching wrestling or football (you know, those hot sweaty men getting between each other’s legs and pounding away, that sort of manly straight thing.)
Cheers!
How can you say that about homosexuality? I myself am homosexual male and I am repulsed by your article.
I have no problem with heterosexuality; my stance is live and let live.
Also: 60-40-10 split?! That makes 110% and last time I checked “gay” is not a gender. I believe that we should feel sorry for the author (and his carer) because something is definitely messed up in his head.
I honestly think that more games should include gay characters or themes, because in my opinion not enough do; this article has actually made me want to buy this game now even though I haven’t played the first dragon age.
Dan (16)
Can I assume that you’re referring to the the update the “straight male gamer” posted? We haven’t said anything ill of homosexuality. In fact, LGBT people having to put up with that kind of thing are the reason we exist.
Hold up a second…
Because they said the game is ALL-INCLUSIVE of every gender and orientation, straight male gamers are left out…
So now he’s claiming that the majority of game consumers are the minority and therefore excluded…
It’s official, we have a troll on our hands, and we all know what we do about trolls.
Most intelligent response yet, IMO.
I would like to refer to Yahtzee’s critique of The Witcher to counter the “strong memorable protagonist and strong memorable support characters” as well as it has been reportedly lacking in “morale-based choices”.
This situation hearkens back to an even bigger argument on the internet- things like cyberbullying and cyberharrassment. In some cases, it may catch they eye of the 4chan collective, but in more isolated cases, I wonder why people didn’t block the hateful IMs or just walk away from the computer.
The same concept applies here- the romance is an option in DA2, not a requirement. Bioware’s products, in the games that I have played, were about giving the players a plethora of options to tailor their own gaming experience. What this complaint boils down to is “I’m blaming you because of the choice I made”.
Well…basically this guy could be my granddad, or any of his slightly homphobic friends…
…but they are about seventy years old, and as such have a different view on the matter alltogether…
…i realize that stating my opinion might be repeating someone elses in this thread as i have not read all of the posts in their entirety…
…but still i feel i have to write down this obvious parallell between this gamer, although i do not know his age, and other people of homophobic age based concerns…clearly it is because his own insecurity and obliviousness. If he took nop notice of the gay content then all would be fine, it’s not like the other character’s rape you in a gay fashion. No still means no, and then that should be okay. But off course, the mere hinting of gay is not okay…he probably didn’t hug his dad much when he was young…or perhaps a bit too much…
…nuff said, over and out…
Well, as a “straight male gamer”, I can assure you that at no point have I ever been weirded out by a guy flirting with me. I do find it somewhat interesting that every character is ambiguously bi-sexual, but I can see the programming advantages of it, and really, it hurts me not to leave it in.
‘sides, I played through as a girl first time anyway. Cooler character. No relationships, either, since I wasn’t playing for that.
I’ve been flirted with by guys a few times in my life, and it doesn’t offend nor scare me. If it gets more than a little flirty and serious…you just explain politely. In a game? There’s no feelings to hurt. BioWare did a great job making the relationships completely optional; ignore them.
What a tool…
Also, great blog.
Ah, offended straight male gamer…so oppressed by equality. Because including equal options for other orientations and genders beyond “straight” and “male” somehow oppresses the “straight” and “male”. Big surprise…
Sorry for the Tl;dr ahead, heh…
My views:
1. The world, whether we are referring to now or when these games are based, has never been purely heterosexual. Why shouldn’t games reflect that fact? Don’t people like him usually play the “based on history so it should reflect it” when lgbtq gamers and gamers of color want more characters like them? And um…hello, fantasy rpg? In a game where you have dragons, magic, and all sorts of strange things, a bisexual is hardly “out there”.
2. Since straight male gamers are not responsible for all of the revenue gained from these games, they cannot say that Bioware “owes” them a special spot or reward. Gamers are not DLC, visibility is not granted on special conditions (in this case what your skin color, gender, or orientation is). I paid for my Bioware games just like they did, why shouldn’t I be included?
3. What is inherently wrong with letting other people have options instead of just some people? Do we not grasp the concept that letting everyone participate is not some horrible conspiracy to oppress the majority? I do not recall the meaning of “equal” changing to, “I get more than everyone else.” When did asking for more characters that represent other people somehow mess with his choices? Its not hard to reject getting hit on in Bioware games, you know.
4. And I was especially put off by his view that including other gamers beyond his demographic was just a way to gain brownie points and that Bioware was losing its “true” demographic by doing so. I hate how dismissive that is, it implies that people in those minority groups are not people worthy of consideration and should just sit there and feel invisible so he can have everything catered to his fantasy world. Because, clearly, the only people worth catering to are people just like him, which is of course coincidental. (Riiiight)
5. Also…getting pissed over other people getting what they asked for too in games they paid for is utterly stupid. I think of if two people bought Starbucks coffee and one person turned and got mad because he wasn’t the only one who got whipped cream. Its immature, and would likely get laughed out of the cafe.
6. Wasn’t it the case that people who thought like him were the first to say “Its Bioware’s choice whether or not to have gay characters” when lgtbq gamers asked for more inclusiveness?
7. And shame on him for trying to hijack a real problem in the gaming industry (minority exclusion) to fit around his viewpoints! Saying that more romantic options for lgtbq gamers messes it up for other minority groups is honestly just plain insulting.
What a cry baby. What? Are you scared the fictional character will pop out of the screen and molest you? Poor thing. Newsflash, it’s a GAME! Don’t worry, the man hitting on you in the game is just that, a game character; no need to feel insecure, little boy. And don’t feel so cocky either. Yes, we get it, you’re a male and you’re straight. You obviously feel you deserve something for that. Guess what, I’m an asexual female. But I don’t get disgusted at the advances of a GAME character. I’m gonna just stop while I’m ahead; I’ve wasted enough time typing a response to this scumbag’s review.
As a straight male games developer I can confirm that all research shows women are the majority of gamers for all genres. Meaning this rare indeed development path by Bioware is very clever.
Also as a straight male gamer I’ve always hated the lack of diversity in my playing options, especially the romance ones.
And as a straight male I can confortably say I wish I was bi so I had twice the options but guys just don’t turn me on.
Actually what I really wish (for many years now) is that I was born a women but with my current male brain = making me a lesian, WHICH IS WHY GAMES EXIST, for anyone to be and do anything they want.
PS. why doesn’t mr homo phob just attack gay characters, or play a gay basher online game? I personally wish you could kill the kids in fable 2 as you could any adult but alas they aren’t completely open with gameplay and have the arcaic (though very new) contraints of political correctness – Have a look at some of the eariler games made e.g. the stupid arcade game where the only gameplay was cowboy walk up to tied up idian girl and rape her, sick but was available to all kids near those walk in arcades.
So, on top of everything else wrong with this guy WHY–according to him– are gays not male or female?
And in reply to “A straight male games developer:” I wish I could kill the kids in Fable 2 as well. It’s nice knowing I’m not the only one….
“e.g. the stupid arcade game where the only gameplay was cowboy walk up to tied up idian girl and rape her, sick but was available to all kids near those walk in arcades.”
Wha-huh? Please tell me you’re making that one up. And here I thought Chiller was the sickest thing ever to show up in the arcades…
unfortunately it is real, it was called Custers revenge. There were others also like beat em and eat em, take a wild guess what that one was about.
So are these the games this SMG wants to see more of?
Another thing of note; as a bi Polish person; for a game like The Witcher to be made with any sort of gay overtones at all would likely get the developers run out of the country; the scariest thing to come out of my heritage is ultracatholic political parties.
I’m not a big computer/console gamer – I prefer my role-playing via paper and dice.
but I went out and bought DA2 BECAUSE of the fact they made it inclusive. I haven’t played a huge amount of it – like I said, I prefer dice – but I HAVE played. mostly, though, I really wanted to support a company that was being inclusive. I may be a cis-gendered straight woman, but I’m also disabled and Cherokee, I know exclusion – and I’m probably the ONLY straight woman I know, my boyfriend is bi, and most of my friends fall somewhere on the LGBTQI spectrum – so, KUDOS! to Bio.
and jesus god, “straight male gamer” – put your Big Boy Pants on and DEAL – if you’ve seriously NEVER been hit on by a dude in your life, either A) you’re just not that cool and NO ONE is hitting on you, or B) you’re just oblivious. or, possibly, C) you’re such an ass that it’s *obvious*
[I *DID* play WoW - a LOT. I had to quit a guild when they made voice chat a requirement. before the VC, I was respected, known to be the best at DPS in the whole guild. after? I was "just this girl" that no one wanted to raid with AT ALL, because "girls suck at raiding".
*I* didn't change - their perception did. strangely, I wasn't the only person forced out of the guild - the two best healers, and one of the best tanks, were girls, and were treated as I was after the new VC requirement. about 17 of us "girls" quit, and I think it was 8 gay guys who were forced out. and it really sucked, we thought we had a good guild, that who we were didn't matter so much as what we did - so we started a new guild. which is almost totally female and/or gay. the straight guys in the guild are awesome dudes, and RESPECT the fact that we kick ass. but it was still horrible, going thru the whole "OMG you're a GIRL, I take back every good thing I've said about your DPS and CC and WOW you can't play at all, can you, your stats are MEANINGLESS!" BS because SOME "straight men" are threatened by capable people who AREN'T "straight men". so now, I don't play as often, because as awesome as my guild and guildies are, something of the magic was disappeared along with my "gender anonymity" screw you. or rather, DON'T screw you, you don't DESERVE to get laid with that BS attitude]
I’m a straight male tabletop gamer who doesn’t even *own* any consoles, and *I’m* seriously thinking about going out and buying DA2 just to support BioWare.
Hmm…this article made me laugh, to be completely honest. I mean, I am a male, and I am gay, but I can still appreciate straight couples, and lesbian couples, etc. Just because it isn’t something I’d wack off to, doesn’t mean I’m going to bitch about it. Hell…I usually find straight couples cute!
But getting back to the main topic…It’s actually very hard to pin down true percentages, because people will fudge statistics, but likely the female/male gamer percent I saw in earlier comments is mostly true. The times, they are a changin’ as the saying goes. The SMG actually sounds like those racist bigots who are slowly being left behind as they refuse to embrace the changing times.
I actually feel sorry for this man. He is so wrapped up in what he feels is right, or wrong, he can’t seem to realize that he can just put the game down, and get another one. Or ‘break’ the hearts of all the male love interests. After all, there are those options in the dialog. If he ‘hates’ homosexuality so much, why can’t he take pleasure in the fantasy world where he could control what the character is into, and how he rebuffs unwanted advances?
The more I read into this, the more I think that this man is scared, and barks so loudly to reaffirm that he is in charge of his life. I don’t really think he’s speaking out for any sort of ‘group’ I think he’s scared that the game developers will take notes from Bioware and make equality in games more common. Truly, it makes me laugh.
Just my two cents XD
This guy is so stupid he makes my head numb. e_e
I’m straight, and male, and a gamer (tabletop, though, not console), and I’m not offended by a guy hitting on me — and especially not by a virtual guy hitting on my virtual character. You know what does offend me? Stupid bigots like SM(e)G(head) up there claiming to speak for me, while wallowing in their unearned, unexamined privilege and willful ignorance. Grow the frack up, you little twit.
Speaking as a bisexual female gamer… I was thrilled by how inclusive DA2 was. Especially because they didn’t do it as gratuitous pandering to the SMG- they didn’t try to make it so all males are straight and all females are bisexual. They left it extraordinarily open-ended and optional, which made it awesome.
And my husband is a straight male gamer. And his first character slept with EVERYONE he could in DA2- male or female. Just for the hell of it. Before we even knew about SMG’s self-thrown pity party.
SMG can’t identify with a game protagonist if it isn’t male and straight (or a big-boobed female)? Waaaah. I mostly play role playing or action games. Let’s see… Dante, Kratos, Link, Cloud Strife, Solid Snake, Tidus, to name a few. All straight males- and yet I had a blast playing as them. OH NOES! I MUST NOT REALLY BE A BI FEMALE.
OMG. Cloud Strife wears a dress, so he must not be a straight male. lol
I haven’t play DA2 yet, still playing the 1st one.
This makes me want to play it more.
I’m a straight female gamer, and I have no problems with same sex relationships, as my father’s gay.
I’ve played Fable 2, as a guy, and the first person I ‘slept’ with was a guy. I would of slept with a women if my character was female, just to say i’d done it, lol, and cos I have the option.
Games are made for everyone, no-one should be excluded, dispite sexuality, gender or race.
That’s hilarious. That guy doesn’t seem to realize that 60% of RPG players are female, including myself. And in even bringing it up as a negative, yes, he IS “debating the morals of homosexuality.” Dumb fuck.
I think my I q dropped just reading that guys pity party. Unfortunatlying his narrow minded viewss are still comman. I’m female and I sell video games for a living and a lot of people look at me like i’m dumb when I tell them i’m a huge rpg fan and say but you are a girl. Dragonage 2 is amazing and they should not change a thing. That kid can take a long walk and the world would be better for it
[...] like to know there’s been an update to the Bioware saga. I like to call it, “The Return of Straight Male Gamer.” Couldn’t get through the dreck? Neither could I. But from what [...]
SMG has only succeed in proving his own ignorance and pissing off a lot of people. Including an unsurprising number of strait male gamers. Its kind of sad really.
Dudes and lady-dudes. We are giving this matter far too much discussion. No, not because this is feeding the troll (which it is). But because of this from his second paragraph.
“As I said before, I estimate that the number is around 80%… Now if my numbers are at all wrong (that in reality the split is 60-40-10 (male, female, gay), then consider this post to be null and void…”
His numbers are way, way off. Farther off than his narrow mind could imagine. His entire argument is, by his own admission, null and void.
That is the only rebuttal that needs to be made; anything else is giving him more attention than he deserves.
I wonder if he has any numbers on the percentage of “Sad Male Gamers”…
*sigh*
Wow “Straight Male Gamer” obviously has some pent up issues he needs to work out, possibly having much to do with how secure he really is about his sexuality. Sometimes it’s quite painful to see ignorance come from such a whiney little troll.
He obviously seems to be some ignorant teenaged gamer kid that has no idea of how the world works. Instead of being such a whiny little troll about the sexual preferences of video game characters he could be out in the world finding out just how much his homophobia is unnecessary in this day and age. He needs to grow up and get a life.
P.S. Homophobia is sometimes do to the misunderstanding of ones own homosexuality. If this is the case he should just look inside himself and start to accept who he really is. He clearly has strong feelings about the matter so it’s time for him to get with the program, walk out of the closet and proudly be the gay male gamer.
I was impressed by DAO’s realism in human relationships. What’s pathetic is other games like WoW which treat you like you’re a 5 year old needing to be protected from anything remotely like reality.
What’s ironic is Str Male Gamer lives in a fantasy, and wants his fantasy to reflect his reality.
In general, it’s the only game so far where the companions feel…really real.
I’m personally just tired of being beaten over the head with it in Dragon Age 2. It was a poor game to start with on a technical level with all the old complaints – recycled maps, etc. I had no problem with Origins having bisexual interests and options. I’d have no problem with them making a truly gay character. I did have a problem with everyone being bi. Yes, I understand, it’s only a game. I respect that, but not everyone in the world is bisexual.
I liked the blend of hetro and bi in the Origins characters because it made sense. Some people are one way, some are another.
I didn’t like the fact that Anders never showed any inclination toward men at all in Awakening but suddenly Karl was his first. What’s wrong with someone being your best friend who you’d go to bat for no matter what? Why was it necessary to even make them lovers at all, even had it been Carla?
The one thing I agree with in the original topic is that if Bioware wants to make this sort of game and push the idea of bisexual / homosexual relationships then they should market it that way. Stand up and be proud.
Personally, I already feel like the game has become a soap box for gay rights. It would have been fine to have it as an option without having Anders flirt with male Hawke and the other things tossed in there. Reality? Perhaps, but they can’t have it both ways. If you go down the path that it’s more realistic to care for someone and not have it returned, then it needs to be taken into account that some people are homo/hetro and not all bi.
If that’s their creative vision then they should follow it. The fans who love it should revel in the creation. For those of who are truly bothered by it, there’s a lot of other games out there to play.
As for me, I’ll see where it goes. Ever have an over enthusiastic person try to convert you to their religion on the street corner? It’s annoying to most people, I would think. If Bioware takes Dragon Age in that direction for gay rights, I’ll sadly be stepping away for good.
Heh, I would probably have more problems w/ immature dudes not listening to me if I didn’t play w/ people I know most of the time…
I didn’t have any problem (that I know of >.>) playing Commander over the Squad Leaders in Battlefield 2142. (The most awesome time, for a crazed multitasker like myself, yeah… might have some ADD elements in me, but still it was fun!)
Altho, the ones that DIDN’T know me probably just assumed I was a prepubescent little boy (which is somehow less emasculating LOL LOL). I even got kicked from a COD MW game because, quote: ‘we don’t feel comfortable playing w/ a 12 yr old boy’ ? Annnnd when my Husband told them it’s his wife, they still didn’t rescind (or whatever). Of course, he didn’t mind staying and playing w/ them, the butt!
I remember these things… hehe… don’t worry, I remember (sweet face).
Wonderful. I like how he (SMG) tries to sound like he’s only worried because the game is lacking in some areas of gameplay (haven’t gotten around to playing yet, but am hearing DAO was much better.) Imagine that, a sequel not as good as the first? Haha, of course that’s usually because the developers were rushed to capitalize on the popularity of the first game (or something along those lines) and probably not ANYTHING to do w/ the inclusion of a little extra romance option.
Actually, I find it funny how rampant bisexuality seems to be, in-game, from what I’ve heard. Must be the PC is just so deliciously Enthralling that he/she opens their eyes to ‘a whole new world’…(lol for some reason the thought of some dudes asking for Duke Nukem’s autograph popped into my head… prolly because he’s always got everyone fawning over him too lol)
OH! wonder if this is the precursor to being given another menu AFTER setting up ur OWN character, where said menu asks questions about how you want certain NPCs to act (flirty to just you, flirty to others, sexuality, etc.) OR if they will also include other personality/quality types (hates you, ignores you, hates the world, is nice/mean, brash/wise, is shy/boisterous, etc.)?
I for one wouldn’t mind having a little more influence on the NPCs, such as a ‘weak’ NPC being more open to suggestions (they go along with you as long as you threaten them OR give them love). Going w/ the whole Machiavelli thing (Love vs. Fear in how you ‘rule’ your subjects), I think this could get pretty interesting. There would also be ‘strong’ NPCs that just refused to waver in their opinions, etc. (More like Alistair, who I just couldn’t win with, but he was kinda hard to read IMO, he didn’t WANT to be king, but he believed NO ONE else is right for the job. Or something like that. Ya, thanks for telling me that beforehand… haha. Eventually I wanted to tell him to just suck it up and deal with my decision. >.< )
[...] He’s BA-ACK! [...]
“Those who agree with me will likely do so silently for fear of being called homophobic by what can only be called a mob as even Gaider pointed out or just won’t bother out of feeling of pointlessness like I once did. But to those people, I encourage you to post as well and not let your concerns be silenced as some would like.”
I love how “Straight Male Gamer” finds the perfect reason why no one seems to be agreeing with him. Such a Martyr.
For someone who tries so very hard (though fails) to construct rational arguments, there is one bleedingly obvious flaw in his thinking.
He thinks he’s speaking on behalf of all straight male gamers. He sounds like hems speaking on behalf of all homophobes. I don’t believe he realises there’s a difference.
Then there’s flawed statistics. The feminists and “gay-activists” he speaks of that will praise the game an give it “10/10″? When you add them to the homosexual percentile, you might find you have a majority. Not that it matters, because anyone with half a brain can identify hi self-righteous quasi-rational drawl as prejudiced selfish whining.
“God Hates Fags”- Your words scream Westboro Baptist church, and they are pointless and irrelevant.
And pardon my typos.
Skip to bottom for tl;dr version. Otherwise, here I go.
I am a straight female gamer. Despite not knowing any gay, lesbian, or bisexual people (or at least none that have come out as such to me), I think that this guy is seriously venting his anger all at once at the first thing he notices.
I have never played Dragon Age but I feel that allowing all characters to be bi, as unrealistic as it may be, is one of the best decisions they could have made. I play as a female when given the chance, but there are games where I’ve gone through a second time to play as a male simply for the different romance options. For example, I have played through Mass Effect 2 as both Male and Female Shepard simply so that I could pursue a romance with Tali. Why? Because I genuinely felt more attached to her as a character than I did with anyone other than Garrus.
The characters themselves can have a huge impact on whether you want to pursue them, despite their gender, in my opinion. If I felt more attached to a particular female character than I did with any of the male characters, I’d definitely go for the whole bi/lesbian relationship simply because I’d feel less connected if I played the game with my character being “straight.” If you don’t want your character to be with someone of the same gender, the simple choice is not to do so. But that doesn’t mean that you try to take away those choices from other people.
Many of the other straight female gamers I’ve met seem to share my views, but I don’t assume that I can speak on behalf of all of them. Some of my female friends asked me why I played through my second time as Male Shepard, because they didn’t share the same opinion I did on romantic options. Others seemed to have had a light bulb go off in their heads and also played through a second time as Male Shepard. They seemed to go after Miranda instead though.
As a female gamer I definitely enjoy playing as a female character when given the chance, but the entire point of games is that there is no rule stating that you have to choose the same gender or make your character look as much like you as you have to. The whole point of open-ended and customizable games is that you can play however you want, as whoever you want. If someone wants to go through the game as a gay male, no matter what they are like in life, then they should be able to do so.
As for the whole females playing as male characters, I wish that didn’t matter. I know for a fact that straight male gamers will play as females for multiple reasons (e.g. I’ve got one friend who plays as females for the “view” as they run in third person, I’ve got another who does so simply to mess with other people online, a third who does so SOLELY BECAUSE there are lesbian romances available and that’s just the way he rolls, and a fourth who prefers the fem Shepard’s voice acting over the male’s in ME2) and it’s acceptable for them to do so without being judged, for the most part. Yet it’s incredibly hard for me to do anything online without being harassed. I’ve been silent on a mic for COD so many times simply because almost every time I open my mouth I get either verbally harassed or kicked out of games right then and there. I’m not the greatest as far as coordination either, so I’ve had to keep quiet some times so as not to “prove” that girl gamers suck. It’s terrible, but true. Female gamers may make up a majority but, as someone said, many have had to deal with this discrimination. If this guy thinks that “Straight Male Gamers” are still the majority, he’s probably going more on the number of skilled male characters he’s seen rather than the actual person holding the controller.
For those of you who went tl;dr, the gist of my entire post:
Like basically everyone else who posted on here, I believe that this guy is an idiot, Bioware made the right choice, and that people should be able to live and game anyway they want to.
I apologize if I made any spelling or grammar errors. I’ve had a cat on one of my arms the whole time and typed this all out with one hand, so I might have missed a letter or put some letters in the wrong order because of the way I type when one-handed.
P.S. I can only imagine how “Straight Male Gamer” is going to feel about the relationship choices in ME3 based on how it’s looking right now. :/ Either him or FOX News…..
Guys. GUYS.
Could you just… click on the link that “God Hates Fags” provided. Click on the picture.
It’s parody. It’s satire. The poster didn’t MEAN any of what he said. So many of you responded with very praiseworthy comments but…
Honestly!
Couldn’t you guys even begin to see the disjunct between the assemblage “god hates fags”, particular to westboro, and the relatively civil tone of the comment??
NONE of the WBC nuts would even deign to speak civilly to any of us, let alone post on a blog post!!!
I could not read that comment as anything but a funny “take that” on the sentiments of the Outraged Straight Male Gamer demographic.
Good God* (*used with a certain amount of irony), were all you Americans vaccinated against satire in childhood?
A person does not have to be affiliated with the Westboro Baptist Church to use the phrase “God Hates Fags,” so I don’t think any of us were deceived into thinking that it was one of the actual Phelps clan posting here. I mean, they’re all too busy picketing soldiers’ funerals and getting their tires slashed these days to comment on a blog.
Further, nothing in GHF’s comment could be regarded as remotely “civil,” unless you’re speaking a secret language that the rest of us haven’t learned yet. To say that “gays are gross” and an “abomination” is not polite conversation. The picture might have tipped us off, had we chosen to click on the link, but since most of us had no desire to know this person any further, you’ll have to forgive us for forgoing that particular treat.
Finally, satire is supposed to humorous or funny. That post was neither. Condemnation and ridicule are not the stuff of comedy, unless you’re watching The Three Stooges.
An entire generation brought up on flash and bang Hollywood “movies”. I think that’s a big part of it.
Really, just… click on his picture… and then steel yourself, read the site… and then REALLY read the site.
IT’S HUMOUR.
As a straight, female gamer, let me first say that it did not bother me at all when Isabella hit on me. In fact, I decided that Hawke can be bisexual. She ended up with Anders in the long run, but did have a fling before hand. Who cares?
Also, I am friends with many straight male gamers. I was actually on Xbox live chat with a few of them when Anders hit on them. What did they do? Laugh and turn him down. Easy as that. Now you still have the same straight, male character that you had before. Big deal.
All he had to do was turn Anders down.
Does anyone know where i can find a gay qunari? The world definitely needs more of them
I just can’t get past the fact that SMG spews this diatribe about homosexuality and then doesn’t think he (and others like him) should be labelled homophobic. WTF?! Seriously? Wanker. You are not the center of the universe. It’s a RGP. I’m a straight female and I played once through as a gay guy for fun. Isn’t that the point of options? I also played as a super slutty sleeps-with-everyone girl and once with no romances only main quest. I am offended and insulted when idiots want to limit my options because their sense of entitlement requires everything to be catered to them – go play Halo.
I think ‘the straight male gamer’ has taken this too far. There is no reason to make such a duss. I played dragon age 2 and thought it was great. Okay i can see why a gay romance might put some people off. So dont have a relationship with anders. Mate grow up and realise its a free world and if someone chooses to be gay it their choice. They have the same rights. And guess what? Im a stright, male gamer. And the gay thing dont bother me. So why does it bother you.
The bottom line: Straight Male Gamer is a narcissist who can’t understand the that world doesn’t revolve around HIM. (Yes, I do have a degree in psychology.)
All the rational arguments in the Universe will fail to penetrate this guy’s personality disorder; most likely, he has a personality disorder cluster and narcissism is only the tip of the iceberg. This guy is too childish to realize that the best protest in our capitalistic society is simply to play other games. If he’s correct about being in the majority, then the game will fail financially, and something else will be released without all those bothersome sexual options that annoy him & his fantasy majority so much!
Since this game clearly isn’t faltering, his argument is both irrational and a wee bit paranoid: “Everyone’s ganging up on me because I dared to speak the truth. I’m the only one brave enough to get on the truth soapbox and speak out!” He sees himself as a courageous martyr to the cause, and nothing will ever penetrate his comforting delusion.
It’s just sad that people like this refuse to understand that THEY are the ones out of step with the rest of the world. I’m guessing his parents keep telling him he’s not really different, just better than the rest of us.
I have stop playing games because I didn’t like the fact that it was the same restricted society replicated with a few pointy ears and hairy backs. Now the fact that DAT offers a fantasy world in which unconditional love exists means that I am going to order it right now for my children to play with. That the kind of world they should thrive to create.
I’m not even going to read all of this idiot’s post, and his misunderstanding of the concept of privilege.
Straight gamer probably can’t even romance in real life so he has to complain about his love life in DA. I find that Kotaku-4chan-whatever type gamers-never-leave-my-house straight white dudes are the worst to even discuss this issue because they’re spoiled and weirdly entitled.
Anyways, most of the DA gamers I know, like myself, are not straight white males. This guy can suck it.
I am glad for the original response, though.
I am 47 years old, and an old school DnD gamer. I am a devoted Dragon Age fan, who was disappointed that the sex scene’s were taken out of Dragon Age 2, I own all of it including all the dl’s, I hope you take all the Great stuff from both games and combine it when ylu make Dragon Age 3, Thank You for making the most Awsome Game Ever… I want an Elf like Fenris :>) lol
My favourite parts:
“60-40-10″ split
and: “One would think that the game being developed by Polish producers would not be able to connect with a English speak audience, but that is not the case at all. This is game which was inarguably made for straight male gamer.”
So when you speak of “English speak audience,” you obviously don’t mean yourself.
Some “holes in his argument”…besides the obvious. I’m not a gamer but I know a lot (straight males, gay males, straight women, lesbians, everyone). None of the “straight male gamers” I know care if there are gay characters in games. One of them even had a gay relationship in-game (if I remember correctly it had something to do with the “acheivements”).
As a female gamer who breaks all the stereotypes Mr. straight male gamer wants to impose upon me (I dislike Sims and Second Life, hold great preference for Left for Dead, Anarchy Online, first person shooters, and for an old school touch now and then – Diablo 2)I cry bullcrap.
Please to provide actual research from all the major game developers, if you will, to support your made up statistics? If you cannot, then nothing you have to say has any merit.
Mr.Gaider spoke of position of privilege. I will amend that to include a sense of entitlement. Here’s the bald facts, sir. Unless and until you become the sole funder of a game’s development, research, implementation, marketing, and the majority buyer as well, you’re just going to have to suck up the fact that sometimes, game developers are going to include things you don’t like.
I’m sure Bioware can provide numbers to show that you are very much in the minority in your opionion – facts you cannot provide besides citing a few posts in a blog of fellow whiners.
I say to you and your fellow whiners – you have two options – don’t play the game and spend your money elsewhere, or accept that there are aspects you’re just going to have to get over.
And realize that this attiude is likely reflected in your daily life – where you are surrounded daily by strong willed women, bisexuals and even flaming homosexuals. It’s all well and good for you to whinge and whine online – dare you do so in every day life? I thought not.
Suck it up, bucko – the company is not going to change their whole game just for entitled little old you. Get used to disappointment – life is FULL of it.
another problem with citing the witcher is that the witcher is not an original IP of CDprojectRED(the developer). they used the IP of an existing protagonist and support cast developed by polish writer Andrzej Sapkowski, his first book (the last wish) featuring Geralt was published in 1993, but was only translated into english in 2007. it was also a movie and a TV series before it was a video game.
this was the first time that i read a book specifically because i played the game it was based off, and it was great.
Ok, where do I start. As a “straight male gamer” I find your comment far more offensive then the sexual content straight or gay. I play Dragon age for the same reason I play all the RPG’s I have played, choices! The freedom to create in an RPG is what makes it great and sets it apart. Every choice added is the potential for a different out come more story and different paths. I say to you that by your SMG attitude you are actually stifling MY GAME EXPERIENCE and that is not fair to the majority. What if I was offended by smoking in games? alcohol? drugs? the sexualization (ya I no its not a word but you get the point) of women? does that mean majority rules take them out of the game? NO! In your naive world where you can write down numbers and call them facts you consider yourself the majority, however I say your homophobia puts you in the minority. BioWare has done a great job catering to the majority and they did create a game with the objective of having as many fans as possible. I would be shocked to find out that they lost more fans do to homosexual content then they gained by expanding there audience. your only mistake SMG, was thinking you are part of the majority. Game well.
i dont like that the extremes are taking over this thing.
Either its “moar gay, moar transgender dragons, and we need to educate games in homo tolerance during the dungeon crawl!!!”
or its “god hates fags!”
Bottom line is, Dragon Age 2 was a bad game.
Worst selling AAA game from bioware, and worst rated for many reasons.
Gayness was way way way to much in your face, i dont have any problems with homos, and am not religious or whatever, but this game, to much gay.
They solved the gay part much better in Dragon Age Origins. Zevran was much more belivable as a character and the conversation was pretty much what you would expect, from some dude testing the waters so to speak.
If you people want to go apeshit on this Straight Male gamer thats fine but he has a point, if crude.
I personaly would have liked this game much more if they actually toned that gay stuff down and spent more time fixing, say the story,dialog,dungeons,raining men combat.
everything really exept varric
What gayness was being “shoved in your face” in DA:2? No, really? I have the game, and have played it more once and unless maybe I got a faulty copy, there is no more “gayness” being shoved around than straightness.
Let’s see, there’s the one flirt line by Anders:
“Kind, wise, and handsome? You must have made a deal with some demons yourself. I’m sorry, I shouldn’t presume. I’ve just…we’ve hardly met and I feel like I know you. Am I making you uncomfortable?”
…and you can turn him down. Also Zevran hits on you. Also one elven prostitute. And you don’t even have to take those last two quests if you’re so sad in the pants about a dude coming onto you (and seriously, if you take the quest to find Zev and whine about him finding you doable, what the heck where you expecting? It’s ZEVRAN.) And guess what? They all do the same for female characters, and unlike real life where a woman has to worry about being harassed for the crime of saying “not interested”, none of these characters even give you crap when you say “not interested”. Heck, you can even be a complete jerk about it with no reprisal.
SMG and dudes like you are just being over-entitled whiners, overexaggerating like the presence of a few bi dudes is like some strange homo-takeover of a game (all while not saying a word about the two love interests who are female and are romanceable by a lady Hawke). Get over yourselves.
I think sometime what folks don’t tend to realize is that there is an attack going on in this country(and others) on people who don’t agree with the gay lifestyle. I’ve been all over the world and have partied with some amazing people(both straight and gay) and at no time was their sexuality thrown into my face, or crotch rubbed up against my leg (except in Manhattan). With that being said I feel that since sex is everywhere we now have to deal with things that were once taboo directly in mainstream society and more than a few people are uncomfortable with it. I don’t want, need, or am asking for a straight day parade, I don’t talk about the hot chick I might be banging at the moment. My life and what goes on in my bedroom(or elsewhere) is between the two consenting adults that are preforming the deed. Maybe it’s prudish to think this way but I don’t want to hear about your lifestyle as long as it doesn’t have an effect on me. I don’t need it played out on a movie screen or TV set. You do your thing and I’ll do mine, but privately. Maybe that’s and old school idea but it’s one that I’ll forever hold and teach my children.
Its not a “lifestyle” there are every kind of LGBT person under the sun, and no “lifestyle” uniting us, what unites us is that because we are outside the heteronormative paradigm, its not a choice, its innate and fundamental nature.
All we are demanding is equal protection under the law, and like any persecuted minority we’ll celebrate our awesomeness in parades and prides. We also expect that media will not be purely heteronormative, because thats as unacceptable as it would be for it to be ice white, or misogynistic.
As a gay man, this makes me sad. I really wish I hadn’t found this post.